Anomalies of "SWISS" Milspec Dials.

Feb 02, 2013,19:43 PM
 

In its past Blancpain has created a number of iconic dial variations we now have become appreciative of and allowed collectors a reason to chase. Separated mainly into several categories including the early RI, 3/6/9/12, No Radiation, and Milspecs. And within each category, there are numerous variations, each with minimal differences in dial contrast. Rolex collectors have long debated the reason behind Rolex's meaning of SWISS and Double SWISS and for them it intertwines with the underline dial and year 1963. Although there are no hard facts explaining exactly the reason but it is public agreement that it was a transitional piece to signify the use or switchover to Tritium.

 

Unfortunately, Blancpain has very little documented records and near impossible to date. I have seen the same exact Double SWISS configuration on both a 28xx serial and a 45xx serial case most recently and it is apparent that case serials this far apart were not manufactured in the same year range. An assumption is that Blancpain produced a number of a casebacks in the same era beginning in the 14xx serial to early 5xxx serial with a number of dials and variations and put them together not based on serials but what they had in stock, hence we see these different variations in a sporadic range of serials. Also, may help explain why we see some 3/6/9/12 have matte cases and some polished.

 

So far I know of two different models of Double SWISS variation. One is the Lower SWISS and the other is the Upper SWISS. The Lower SWISS has the "SWISS" marking right underneath the 6 o'clock marker and the Upper SWISS has the marking right above the 6 o'clock and beneath the moisture indicator. In both models, they have another "SWISS" marking on the lip of the dial.


In comparison to Rolex, we can conclude that for Blancpain it is certainly not for the same reason as Rolex's use of Double SWISS. All of these Milspec dials were still produced with radium even with the double marking. It was not only until the No Radiation and later "civilian" Milspec models where they began using Tritium dials. It will be interesting for those who have a geiger counter to test out the radium levels of each dial. But even with the dial changed to tritium, it is not to fool collectors that the watch is radioactive free. The bezel still is radium strong! 


This is an example of a Milspec dial you normally see on early Milspec variations.


Above is the second variation of the SWISS word placement. Visually, you can see the difference where SWISS is inside the chapter ring and right beneath the 6 o'clock marker. There is also another SWISS wording on the outside of the chapter ring, which is hidden by the rehaut. 


Here is a better picture to demonstrate the Double Lower SWISS dial configuration. Because the outside SWISS wording is right on the rim of the dial, it is most often covered up when on the watch. 


The last configuration I have come across is the Upper SWISS configuration. Also not often seen, the wording is placed right above the 6 o'clock marker and beneath the moisture indicator. 

Finally at the end of the radium dial Milspec production, it is noted that dials were switched from radium to tritium dials. All "civilian" Milspecs are seen with this variation and with some early Fifty Fathoms containing this dial. Questionably, I wonder if those are original to the watch. Anyways, it is apparent that the later dials had a smaller circumference chapter ring along with "T<25" marked on the dial, signifying the use of tritium.


Of course, there still remains many other anomalies even just with the Milspec variation, but these are the ones I have noticed with the SWISS marking. 


This message has been edited by hennabav on 2013-02-02 19:49:30


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What a very interesting post!!

 
 By: YASARGIL : February 3rd, 2013-04:07
I don't know how this dials were made but you have noted and started a very special post. I hope the answer help us to increase our knowlege about these amazing vintage blancpain's!! Thank you

There are a few others, which are dign of interest.

 
 By: amanico : February 3rd, 2013-10:09
The " Swiss " of the US NAVY is one of them, the others being the AM, and, of course, the TR 900s. While reading you, I had a smile on my face as it reminded me a guy who posted a photo of my early Milspec with the Swiss mention just under the moisture in... 

Stunning post...

 
 By: DivingT : February 3rd, 2013-12:05
Great observations, and some points I'd never noticed before. Very informative. Cheers Tony

A pity you use this forum to promote your sales, though.

 
 By: amanico : February 3rd, 2013-13:54
It is a violation of our forum rules, and I would really appreciate you don't repeat that. Best, Nicolas

Nicolas, maybe I am confused by your comment...

 
 By: hennabav : February 3rd, 2013-16:19
but in what way am I promoting my sales with this observational post? Am I mentioning that one of my Milspecs is for sale due to this article? If so, please let me know how this is violating the rules. I could have not caught that on my side or understood... 

On the very same day, you post an article on some dials, which includes one version <<

 
 By: amanico : February 3rd, 2013-22:21
You put for sale on our collectors market. Sorry, but i see the link. Sorry that you don't see it. That, we don't accept on PPRO. You are clealrly promoting your watch, even if you don't say it is for sale on our collectors market. Best, Niciolas

Great article Jon!

 
 By: Briandumais : February 9th, 2013-13:08
I have found it interesting the serial serial numbers on the early bp. The numbers don't seem to be in much order until they with the no rad, bund no rads and the civilian milspecs. Jon i am going to try to borrow a geiger counter and we will have to get ... 

Thank you Brian!

 
 By: hennabav : February 11th, 2013-21:22
Well said and I agree. The serials on these early BP are all over the place and I cannot really find any consistency with the dial eras. We definitely shall meet up again to test out our pieces! It will be interesting to see if there are any fluctuations ... 

Thanks Jon

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : February 10th, 2013-15:24
We have a rule here that you cannot post pictures or talk about a watch you'll be posting for sale for a minimum period of 60 days. This is to prevent "shilling", whether inadvertent or not. Great post btw! Cheers, Anthony

Anthony, thank you for your sincere response.

 
 By: hennabav : February 11th, 2013-21:27
I fully understand now that it was a timing error on my part with regards to this post. I will make sure the same situation will not happen again. But thank you for your sincere response :-)) Enjoy the post for what it is. Best, Jon

Thank you Hans...glad you enjoyed it :-))

 
 By: hennabav : February 11th, 2013-21:23
Best, Jon

excellent post

 
 By: Ghost Chaser : February 9th, 2013-15:32
thanks for taking the time to put this together and post it, jon. we could certainly use more informative posts like this on the BP forum.

Thank you Rich for you very kind compliments....

 
 By: hennabav : February 11th, 2013-21:25
Blancpains are definitely some of the more rare and unique looking vintages out there. We should gather our knowledge and predictions together to formulate better estimates and assumptions for these pieces. Thank you for your support my friend!! Best, Jon...