Blancpain Fifty Fathoms - parts of the family ...

Dec 14, 2010,12:13 PM
 

The Fifty Fathoms is the historical most important watch in the history of Blancpain.
Today it is claimed to be “The World´s First Modern Diving Watch” (by Blancpain) – from 1953.

Before we come to my main topic (Trilogy & Concept 2000), let me give you a rough overview about the family.







Vintage - countless versions of the FF diver´s watch have been made and even Blancpain has no detailed overview – at least it seems like this. Fifty Fathoms selling numbers in total (“Pre-Biver-Era”) have been about 50.000 up to  150.000 – different numbers from different sources. It was quite a success in the past, but never treated like this. In-depth knowledge is not written down - at least not available for the collectors, customers, public, … . Lots of, sometimes different, information can be found in several sources (official & not official). At the re-birth of Blancpain in 1983 (by Jean-Claude Biver and Jacques Piguet) there was no new Fifty Fathoms until 1998 and most of the people didn´t even know about it. When I bought my first FF Bathyscaphe in 1989, only a few collectors have been aware of the Fifty Fathoms. It was a bargain and the only Blancpain I could afford at the time.

The first time the old Fifty Fathoms was shown to a bigger audience was in 1998, when the Trilogy collection was presented.

There was a little catalogue (printed 2/98):





The Fifty Fathoms Years – In 1956, Commander Costeau won the Palme d`Or of the Cannes Festival for his film The World of Silence. This represented the discovery of the vast oceans depths in which Blancpain took part with the famous Fifty Fathoms watch worn by the divers. As one of the first diver watches to be water-resistant to 50 fathoms or 91.5 meters, it would soon become a precious working tool for divers the world over. …”.
Nothing was mentioned about 1953 – at that time in 1998.

 
(Ref. 2200; caliber 1151)


In Basel 1999 they introduced the Concept 2000 collection and therefore they printed a brochure. Some watch journalists used the word futuristic and indeed the design was more like a concept watch, at that time. Steel, fiberglass, rubber - today some would call it a fusion …









More details about Trilogy & Concept 2000 later.


The first time I was reading about Fifty Fathoms and the date 1953, it was in the Chronos Special Blancpain (2001).

November 2003 Blancpain celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Fifty Fathoms with a limited edition.

 
(ref. 2200A; caliber 1151; case diameter 40.3mm)


The Anniversary 50 Fathoms was done in three series – I (50 pieces), II (50 pieces), III (50 pieces) + one for Marc Hayek + one for Bob Maloubier + one (I don´t know, but Stephan Ciejka would be my assumption). There was a brochure about the Limited Edition and Bob Maloubier, the founder of the Nageurs de Combat was shown with his Fifty Fathoms, in 1953.
Additionally there was a Klassik Uhren Special because of the anniversary, in 2004, with more detailed information about the Fifty Fathoms.

Basel 2007 – introduction of the latest Fifty Fathoms collection, which is called Fifty Fathoms Sports.


 (Prototype; caliber 1315; case diameter 45mm)


(Cannes – series number 1 to 10, on display)



Officially it was shown to the public at the Cannes Boat Show in summer 2007.









Basel & Cannes 2009, a 500 Fathoms was introduced. It uses the same caliber as the latest Fifty Fathoms, but is even bigger – 47mm.



Recently there is a bit more interest in the roots of Blancpain and the Fifty Fathoms – internal & external. Interest for vintage pieces get stronger, prices increase and we can even find lots of fakes in the market. As mentioned before, there is still a lack of in-depth knowledge written down.


There was a comprehensive exhibition held at the Blancpain-Boutique in Paris (November 2010), which moves on to China and the USA.




Most of the (about 100) pieces shown are loans from collectors. Obviously it is used to promote the current Fifty Fathoms Sports collection in some markets, but I still hope that they will do more. At least I could imagine a catalogue about the exhibition and the collected pieces. Blancpain, it would be a great opportunity to do it now!

My topic for the further report is the Trilogy & Concept 2000 and I will try (!) to give you an overview. I don´t know of any source which covers them all and it is a challenge to get them all in detail.


Fifty Fathoms Trilogy

  • SEA – Fifty Fathoms (Diver Watch)
  • EARTH – GMT 24 (Two Time Zones)
  • SKY – Air Command (Self-Winding Chronograph)

“Climbing the Echelons of the Trilogy

Look to the past for guidance into the future. This is the path taken by Blancpain to arrive at the Trilogy.

A strong development yet quiet a natural one, in line with the brand´s own historical concept. This is how Blancpain arrived at the classical look of its six masterpieces and the 2100 line, finally leading up to the Fifty Fathoms´expression of the 21st century – the birth of a totally new concept. The expression of the traditional art of watchmaking in the oceans, on land and in the air … The birth of an exceptional collection in which man´s universe opens to the art of watchmaking … A collection only Blancpain is capable of offering today.”
(Extract from the above mentioned catalogue)


Case diameter of most of the members from the Trilogy family: 40.3mm

The limited pieces from the Monaco YS editions will not be listed here.



Ref. 2200 – Fifty Fathoms

Calibre 1151 , 12 lines, hand-decorated and finished. With a height of 3.25 mm, it is composed of 185 pieces including two barrels which enable a power reserve of over 100 hours.

 Calibre 1151

2200-1130 (ST, black sun-ray dial, faceted hour markers and numeral)


 2200-1142 (ST, opaline dial)  


2200-1540 (WG, blue dial)
2200-1430 (YG, black dial)

2200-3618 (RG, white dial)


2200-3630 (RG, black dial). Limited series of 100 numbered pieces. Each timepiece is signed by the watchmaker who finished and adjusted it. 


 2200-3642 (RG, opaline dial)


Ref. 2250 – FF GMT 24

Display of second time-zone over 24 hours and bidirectional turning bezel. 2.95mm thick scratch-resistant sapphire crystal antireflective on both sides. Self-winding calibre 5A50, 11 1/2 lines, 4.35mm high, composed of 236 pieces with 100-hour power reserve.



2250-1130 (ST, black dial) 
   2250-1142 (ST, opaline dial) 2250-1430 (YG, black dial) 
2250-1442 (YG, opaline dial) 
2250-3630 (RG, black dial). Series limited to 100 numbered pieces. 2250-1540 (WG, blue dial)     2250-1540 (WG, blue dial, LE for Asprey) 2250-1542 (WG, opaline dial)

 
Ref. 2255 – FF GMT 24 Perpetual Calendar

 
2255A-3630 (RG, black dial)


Ref. 2258F – FF Air Command Perpetual Calendar


 2258-3630 (RG, black dial) 


Ref. 2285F – FF Air Command

Chronograph movement with Flyback system, self-winding, calibre F185. Diameter 25.6mm or 11 ½ lines, height 5.40mm, components 308, power reserve 40 hours


2285F-1130 (ST, black sun-ray dial)


2285F-1142 (ST, opaline dial)

2285F-1140 (WG, blue dial, LE 8 for Asprey)

2285F-3630 (RG, black dial). Series limited to 100 numbered pieces.


2285F-3642 (RG, opaline dial) 


 2285F-1430 (YG, black dial)


Mysteries of the 2285F

There have been two different bezels, but I don´t know when they changed it and why. The (probably) early one looks like this – without 5 and 10:

  (early)
(late)


The later ones show 5 and 10 at the bezel.

Maybe you already saw the next mystery at the dial. Water-resistant to 200 m … or 300 m – both have been available. Both mysteries can be found together – bezel and writing at the dial, in each variation. Most of the versions in steel (2200-11xx) show 300m on the dial and the versions in precious metals show 200m or nothing. My guess is - if there are steel versions available with 200m on the dial, they just got the wrong dial from the Concept 2000 Air Command. Maybe I am wrong. Who knows?




Ref. 22553 – FF Perpetual Calendar

 22553-3630 (RG, black dial) 



Ref. 2485F – FF Air Command for ladies

Case diameter: 36mm


 2485F-1130 (ST, black dial)
2485F-4630 (ST with diamond ring, black dial)



More mysteries
 


Do these pieces have a “black” bezel? Is it only an optical illusion from the picture? I have no idea so far.
For sure there are several more mysteries when it comes to Blancpain as there have been more Limited Editions, Pieces Unique, variation’s, … ;-)

Based on the Trilogy, but with :
·         Steel and rubber bracelets – links of steel and fiberglass-reinforced rubber. Enduring yet utterly stylish bracelets provide exceptional suppleness and wearing comfort.
(Those have been changed after some years, because the former ones caused some problems with the rubber. Never heart about problems with the later ones)
·         Steel and rubber bezel – framing and enhancing the bezel figures, rubber also provides a more comfortable grip on the bezel´s ribbed rim
·         Steel and rubber push pieces and crown – softer and more pleasant to the touch. Improved handling ease and all-round protection

Introduced: 1999
Case diameter: 40.3mm
Movements: same as the brothers from the Trilogy collection


Ref. 2200 Fifty Fathoms

 2200-6530-66 (ST & black rubber, black dial)
2200-4430-44 (PT & black rubber, black dial, LE 10) 
 2200 (WG & blue rubber, blue dial, LE 10) 



Ref. 2250 GMT 24

2250-6530-66 (ST & black rubber, black dial) 
 2250 (WG & blue rubber, blue dial, LE 10) 



Ref. 2285F Air Command

Those are water-resistant to 200 meters, as you can see at the dials.

 2285F-6530-66 (ST & black rubber, black dial)
2285F (WG & blue rubber, blue dial, LE 10) 


If somebody asked me what I think is missing in the Fifty Fathoms family :

Well, I could imagine a FF Bathyscaphe with a “simpler” caliber 1315, case diameter 42mm and a price tag about € 7K. From my point of view, those should sell very well. Some nice vintage Bathyscaphe designs have been done in the past and could be used for inspiration …

For example:
 



Final conclusion

Both series have never been part of the regular collections (LeBrassus, Villeret, Leman), at least Blancpain assigned them under Specials. The movements used have been the same as available in the Villeret and Leman line and those are so called Ultra-Slim movements. They are more luxury than tool watches. Personally I never had any trouble with mine, but for sure the outstanding reliability/toughness of the latest development – caliber 1315 – is hard to beat for the older ones. The FF Sports collection chronographs (introduced in 2007 and later) still use the same “old” movement – caliber F185. It was claimed to be “The World´s First Women´s Flyback Chronograph” – thickness: 5.5mm; diameter: 26.2mm. Nothing is wrong with the movement and I like it a lot, but does it fit into a 45mm sports watch? Final judgement is up to the buyer. Personally I would have preferred a later introduction of the new FF Sports chronographs, with a new developed movement.

Trilogy & Concept 2000 watches are out of production for some years, but still can be found NOS (seldom, but possible) and are not that difficult to find in the second market – at least in steel. From my observations, some of the “Beginner´s” start with one of those watches – these days. Recently the Fifty Fathoms “bug” gets stronger and because of the rarity of high-quality vintage pieces and the big size/price of the latest one, more people are getting interested and prices increase (slightly). Back in 1998/99 the all steel Fifty Fathoms was too heavy for my taste and therefore two watches of the Concept 2000 line have been my daily companions for several years. The superior finish and the design is still one of my favourites.

This report was prepared based on my collected knowledge and my personal experiences. Credit for some of the knowledge and pictures goes to Blancpain, the internet (forums, blogs, …), brochures, catalogues, books, but I can´t name them all - sorry. I don´t claim to be correct in all the details and would appreciate it to get better/more detailed ones.

Let me close with some personal pictures :

 


    




More posts: 2200-6530-662250-6530-662285f-6530-66Air CommandFifty FathomsGMTLemanSpecialtiesSpecialties Air Command Flyback ChronographSpecialties Fifty Fathoms Divers WatchSpecialties GMT Divers Watch

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1st Class post, Oliver.

 
 By: amanico : December 14th, 2010-13:37
The main problem with the Vintage FF is, as you said, that there are no archives kept. But there is still a living memory, Mr J.J Fliechter. And hes has some interesting informations about Vintage FFs. I will see if I can manage to get some of these infor... 
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Thanks, Nicolas ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-02:46
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an enjoyable read! [nt]

 
 By: playtime : December 14th, 2010-19:23
No message body
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My pleasure

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:20
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Superb post, Oliver...

 
 By: E.J. : December 14th, 2010-21:40
A great job made, my friend. Really thanks for this great read! Very best Emilio
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Muchas cracias, Emilio

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:20
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excellent post Oliver

 
 By: fifty fathoms : December 15th, 2010-00:31
... for the air command I read about this: 300 meter proved by Blancpain for the older ones. The screwed pushers for the chronograph are not made by Blancpain itelf and garantie is only given for 200 meters from the firm which make/made them. My air comma... 
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My pleasure, Stehpan ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:25
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Outstanding contribution, Oliver, long overdue...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 15th, 2010-07:39
I'll see whether I have something to contribute. But I guess you post is quite comprehensive ;-) Thanks for taking the efforts to put this together. It clearly shows that the recent 50 Fathoms models are clearly collectable on their own account, with some... 
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"visibility and credibility of Blancpain"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:30
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A very enjoyable read

 
 By: emcquillan : December 15th, 2010-14:02
I dream that the modern FF family will also offer a model 40-42 mm and perhaps without a date.
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Blancpain

 
 By: Briandumais : December 15th, 2010-17:18
I also dream of another 40mm Fifty fathom! Its great to see the lineup since the rebirth in '83. Does anyone know what Bob Moloubier was wearing on his wrist at the big show in Paris? Brian
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Yes, I know, Brian...

 
 By: amanico : December 15th, 2010-22:41
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For sure, you are not allone ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:35
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HQ post.

 
 By: VMM : December 16th, 2010-03:14
I really enjoyed the reading. Thanks, Oliver. Vte
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My pleasure ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:36
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Superb post. Thx for sharing :-)

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : December 16th, 2010-15:11
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Thanks, Hans

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 17th, 2010-03:36
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Super post....

 
 By: MiniCooper : December 19th, 2010-07:17
Well done my friend... If you ever need a jog, I am certain that Blancpain would offer you one... Cheers
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Thanks my friend ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 19th, 2010-07:44
but I am really not sure about the job (jog=job, isn´t it), because sometimes pleasure & pain is very close Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Oliver
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Obviously.....

 
 By: MiniCooper : December 19th, 2010-07:58
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Great read. Very nice roundup. [nt]

 
 By: Ubik : December 20th, 2010-11:12
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Very pleasant post

 
 By: Marv : December 20th, 2010-13:15
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Wow...

 
 By: Schwertmaster : December 21st, 2010-11:31
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Great work :-)

 
 By: Quino : December 22nd, 2010-13:20
extraordinary post and wonderful set of pictures... if i only could achieve one more of them besides my FF Sports... btw: may i ask the connaisseurs here what exactly is the difference between the FF Sports Chrono and the FF Sports Air Command?
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Warm welcome, Quino ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 22nd, 2010-23:21
and regarding your question: only the dial is different
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Thanks...

 
 By: Quino : December 23rd, 2010-12:41
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